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Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

I miss So Charm Recaps.....

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Posted by hairGayme on July 22, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

If you want to lessen the concentration of people leaving bars at a certain time, rescind the law requiring bars to close at 2AM. Let the bars decide for themselves when they want to close.

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Posted by Scott Montgomery on July 21, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

"This cop was off-duty on security detail for PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER; a private property owner has every right to have an off-duty cop ask whomever the He** he wants what they are doing in the common areas. This whole thing is nothing more than a fundraiser for the NAACP: http://www.thebryancrabtreeshow.com/racial… "

Remember kids, the "libertarians" of America are *MORE* than happy to make all the police in this nation private, and eliminating even the false veneer of public accountability they currently have.

There's not even a small part of Mr. Crabtree's small brain that wants to question why a *privately* hired off-duty cop was in his *public* patrol car and (possibly) in his *public* uniform when this occurred.

Because "libertarians" are not about "liberty", they are about the concentration of power in private hands. They are not anti-power. They are not anti-authoritarian. In fact, they are the exact opposite of those two concepts.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on July 21, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

He's more than welcome to ask, I agree, and have never said otherwise.

My concern comes into play once he pulls a gun on the kid, grabs him and tackles him as he is trying to walk away, without any investigative imperative and shaky legal ground to do so.

Common areas in apartment buildings, legally speaking, are generally open to the public unless stated otherwise. Unless Curnell had received some official (almost always written) notice from the owner of the property or an agent and was returning against explicit lawful order, he wasn't guilty of trespassing. Nothing in any report or witness statement suggests that Medlin warned him off the property before or during the confrontation. He was not even guilty of loitering; Medlin's report indicates that he was walking briskly.

Checked out your website. Not very helpful to the discussion. May have stopped a mass shooting, indeed - why don't we just stop and search everyone who looks "suspicious" just in case we can also stop someone who might have maybe gone on to shoot a person or maybe more than one? Who gets to define "suspicious?"

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

This cop was off-duty on security detail for PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER; a private property owner has every right to have an off-duty cop ask whomever the He** he wants what they are doing in the common areas. This whole thing is nothing more than a fundraiser for the NAACP: http://www.thebryancrabtreeshow.com/racial…

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Posted by Bryan Crabtree on July 21, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

The point is that we're not jacking up white kids on the street trying to find something to lock them up for.

Illegal behavior is relatively consistent over racial lines, controlling for similar socio-economics, but arrests and convictions are not.

Your false dichotomy misses the institutionalized racism that our country has been struggling to come to terms with since its inception. It's not a conspiracy, it's just an uncomfortable truth.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

“If anyone, at this point, is wondering why 10% of our general population makes up 40% of our incarcerated population....”

There would appear to be two possibilities: either there is a vast, nationwide conspiracy to profile, falsely accuse, frame, and lock up this said 10% of the population, or these individuals are actually committing the crimes for which they have been arrested, tried, and convicted by a jury.

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Posted by John Paul Jah on July 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

I'm not concerned about the gap in time on the camera. Poor motion sensing tech is what it is. It's unfortunate but irrelevant to the issues raised. The concern comes from the witness accounts and most importantly - Medlin's own.

None of them suggest that he ever had probable cause to instigate a violent conflict with Curnell. He should have been free to refuse a search, having committed no crime and displaying no intent to, and was under no obligation to incriminate himself. For simply asserting his constitutional rights (along with a ridiculously subjective evaluation of a "look" in Curnell's eyes), the officer pulled a gun on him. At that point, Curnell de-escalates by turning his back and attempting to walk away - again, his constitutional right. Then Medlin takes the initiative AGAIN and starts a physical confrontation. Virtually all of the witness accounts are consistent in reporting that Curnell protested his detainment and search, as ought to have been his right.

It does not matter why he had the gun or why he had the bullets, because there was no way for Medlin to have known he had either. The point is that finding something in one apparently illegal search does not mean that the illegal search was okay. This is not the country we are supposed to be. Yes, he may have gone on to do something terrible with it. This is an argument for gun control, not a police state.

Not every kid is going to be a Curnell - we'll never hear about the kids who submit to unconstitutional searches or get otherwise unnecessarily hassled. We'll never hear about the kids who get searched for "wearing a hoodie" and happen to be holding some other kind of contraband.

If anyone, at this point, is wondering why 10% of our general population makes up 40% of our incarcerated population, the kind of attitude displayed by Medlin and the fact that he wasn't operating very far outside standard procedure for police these days is a step towards that answer. The implicit permission granted them to behave that way that we're seeing in these threads is another.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

9/11 Truthers, Birthers and now Camera Gappers. Isn't this better suited for World Net Daily?

I've read the report start to finish, and here are some questions I take from it. Not only was Curnell carrying a concealed pistol (which his hand would've been in a pocket with and likely on as Medlin approached him), but he was also carrying extra ammo for it (live rounds were found in his pocket). Why was he carrying a gun that night and why did he anticipate possibly needing to reload it? Also, what was the black nylon fabric he was found to be wearing under his chin?

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Posted by Paulius on July 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

It seems pretty clear that there's at the very least a reasonable argument that Curnell's fourth and fifth amendments were abridged when Medlin confronted and assaulted him, so I don't think that grandstanding O.J. Simpson trial quotes are really warranted.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

Yeah, "If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit"

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Posted by Ima Oldman on July 21, 2014 at 7:48 AM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

"Funny thing about ecosystems, they are -by definition- self-sustaining. It's only when people introduce foreign elements into them that they become destabilized."

Um, no.

The problem with your statement is the same problem that infects every single discussion about "humanity's effect on 'X'" in that in treats humanity as somehow separate from nature.

We aren't. Period. We are part of the ecosystem and, by definition, we cannot introduce "foreign elements" into it.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on July 19, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

Marvin Oberman proves he's up to date by adopting bad grammar. "I have found that our fine police department has stopped my wife and I..." Shame on him.
And rudeboyjohn, you are an idiot. Ecosystems are self-sustaining, but we don't know enough to assert that Upper King Street, a 5-year-old creation, is even an ecosystem, let alone which are the healthy elements and which are the foreign components. Upper King Street is on a capitalistic roll. What will happen when rents go up and Travel&Leisure moves on?

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Posted by ImFromHere on July 18, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

I attended this meeting last night. Riley kept bantering about how Charleston is a special city and a fragile ecosystem. Funny thing about ecosystems, they are -by definition- self-sustaining. It's only when people introduce foreign elements into them that they become destabilized. Take the hint.

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Posted by rudeboyjohn on July 18, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

You cannot control people. They are going to still party after midnight. Therefore you are creating an entirely different problem. People will find another place to party and the complaints will escalate. There comes a point when government rules and restrictions need to be toned down.

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Posted by Richard Fowler on July 18, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

Mr. Oberman is a badass.

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Posted by Pronghorn on July 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

"We basically took a long-term approach to what could be a shorter-term issue"

So basically in the short term they are not going to push this but in the long term they will. Nicely done.

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Posted by nofaith on July 18, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Re: “Iraq nearly broke James Hardin. Ecstasy is helping him rebuild.

Great story...I hope you continue to improve and thank you for being part of the research. It is much needed so researchers can get the support needed to help other military members. Thank you for putting the story out to the public to reduce the mystery and misinformation many people believe. All good...

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Posted by foodycharlie on July 18, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Re: “Iraq nearly broke James Hardin. Ecstasy is helping him rebuild.

Great! Whose got my double-stack Mitsubishi's??

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Posted by FairGayme on July 16, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Re: “Iraq nearly broke James Hardin. Ecstasy is helping him rebuild.

What a great story Paul. There are thousands of vets in the same boat, for the sacrifices they have made they need all of the support they can get from all of us. It is good to know that people are still coming up with creative and innovative solutions to help them, not every one will respond the same to the various treatments out there.

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Posted by nofaith on July 16, 2014 at 9:35 AM
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