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Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

In this article, Boston, from the Rec Room, rightly states that bars pay higher taxes because its already recognized that we're more of a burden on city services. I think we pay like 1000% more for our business license than a similarly sized law office. What no one has mentioned yet is: 1). Liability insurance rates skyrocket when bars employ bouncers, I mean security personnel, because ins. co.s know that it leads to more lawsuits. 2). We are still gonna call the cops, only now we'll have more incidents, so we'll call even more. 3). Affected communities can already persue remedy against offending businesses: noise, nuisance, drug, and pandering laws are already on the books, and responsible business owners stay on good terms with their neighbors and avoid getting sued/arrested. Irresponsible business owners can be forced out. 4). There will be no geographical boundaries to this law. While it's aimed at upper King, it will apply equally to freestanding buildings in industrial zones and suburban shopping malls.
The city already has an arsenal of tools to affect change. Like the gun lobby says: "Let's start enforcing existing laws before we rush to write new ones".
Mike Kulick
Voodoo Tiki Bar & Lounge
The Tattooed Moose

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Posted by vudumike on May 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Re: “Mr. Sanford goes (back) to Washington

It seems some 40 to 60 people in the Charleston area actually read these articles on-line. Perhaps some of them can explain to me why the likes of Mark Sanford gets elected to represent this district despite his apparent theft of public resources; his dereliction of duty as Governor; and his failure to keep an oath of fidelity made before God. Have I missed something here or would he not have served jail time in the private sector. As an independent I would have thrown a rare vote to a Democrat this time had they fielded a stronger candidate. Just what it is that 77,000 voters see in Sanford that escapes me?

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Posted by And if elected... on May 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

I think Ima means there are pitfalls to sort-of empowering civilians to do police business... pitfalls like unarmed motherf*ckers gettin' shot over, let's say, a misunderstanding.

Of course, that happens with regular police, too.

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Posted by factoryconnection on May 17, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

*Trayvon Martin.

Anyway: Huh?

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Posted by Pronghorn on May 17, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

Can somebody say Travan Martin?

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Posted by Ima Oldman on May 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

Who gives them the right to make people leave that part of the sidewalk, anyway? Isn't that public property?

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Posted by Mathew Nelson on May 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

Maybe they could use the (ooh, la la!) cabaret taxes to pay for a restroom trailer or 4-pack of porta-potties to park on Ann Street from, say 8pm-3am every Friday and Saturday, instead of adding nebulous duties for private security to patrol public streets. You could fit them in one parking spot, and cut down on the mentioned public urination problem. I of course don't remember EVER peeing in public back in my salad days of youth, no siree, Bob, but these young whippersnappers with their Red Bull and Jaeger-bombs have all that diuretic impact to deal with that us humble brew-swillers didn't.

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Posted by factoryconnection on May 17, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

Foodmancing, Thanks for stereotyping all door guys and bouncers. I work as a bouncer at a high frequency bar on King Street a few times a month for some extra income and because I do other business with the bar. I am highly college educated, have a normal size neck, and while I have been called many things in my life, 'goon' is not one of them.
Further, the other bouncers I work with are like me...have big boy jobs, families, and are upstanding members of the community. All of us have high education. In interest of being honest, one of our guys necks is a bit fat...however he would never be considered a 'goon.'
Oh, and $50 a night wouldn't get me off my couch.

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Posted by Joel Frank on May 17, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

Because there has never been a 'no-neck goon' cop. They all have masters degrees, eh foodmancing? derp. But I agree, it is a bad idea. If the city wants bouncers to police the streets, then they need to pay them to, not the bar owners.

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Posted by Jungle Jane on May 17, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Re: “City Council considers requiring bar security to patrol sidewalks, parking lots

Because its a great idea to turn over enforcing order on the public sidewalks to a no-neck goon who dropped out of HS making $50 a night. Yea, no way that goes bad.

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Posted by Foodmancing on May 17, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Re: “New lofts in East Central could fill in the cracks of development

Hasn't the CP heard that the skate park will NOT be located under SCDOT roadways. I applaud the risk of the developers building in this location, but really it is inevitable...Small retail is being pushed out of Upper King St, upstart bars & restaurants who cannot afford to run with the big dogs on King are pushing into the surrounding residential neighborhoods to the West(Cannonborough-Elliotborough), diminishing livability. This makes long time residents, especially families(read 'homeowners' not renters) want to move and rent their homes to the multitude of college students sporting Daddy's checkbook. Charleston ain't quaint anymore. Too bad the City doesn't value recently turned neighborhoods and the residents that changed them. Instead they pursue a more profitable tax base regardless of what residents want. Make business' happy. Make tourists happy. Ignore your own residents. Thanks Joe.

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Posted by FOBofSC on May 15, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Re: “New lofts in East Central could fill in the cracks of development

It's a shame they are covering the exterior in red brick rather than keeping the cool-grey look though. Downtown Charleston needs more "modern" buildings (like Cool Below) which utilize more concrete, steel and glass. Also, lost in any of these discussions about new developments is the lack of LEED certification requirements. If the City of Charleston really wants to promote sustainable living (which I am skeptical of, in spite of all the talk about local food and bike/pedestrian friendly streetscapes), then Tim Keane and the Planning Department need to require all new hotels and apartments achieve certain design standards. It's no secret that buildings are one of the largest contributors to carbon emissions, and with all the "green" options available today, why would the City accept anything less than the Gold standard? Growth is coming no matter what and the City is clearly willing to allow developers to reap big profits (while placing even larger burdens on the local infrastructure), so the least we can expect is for these projects to be well planned and forward thinking.

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Posted by Golden Ratio on May 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Re: “New lofts in East Central could fill in the cracks of development

The area may be industrial and raw but I really value the gritty vibe because
its so different from the ubermanicured primness found on the lower
peninsula. Its nice to see the gradual and organic change. And I hope
a balance can be struck that respects the socioeconomic diversity of the
neighborhood for the future.

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Posted by Driftaway on May 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Re: “New lofts in East Central could fill in the cracks of development

This is a pure sign of gentrification, and anyone who thinks or says otherwise is ignorant and or corrupt. All of these luxury develepments, the one near piggly wiggly is encroaching on the east side residences. before long all of downtown will be gentrified with hipsters. Which are like the Plague.

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Posted by Art Oflistening on May 15, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Re: “New lofts in East Central could fill in the cracks of development

We are only interested in annoying our favorite trolls who hate us no matter what we do.

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Posted by Stephanie Barna on May 15, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Re: “New lofts in East Central could fill in the cracks of development

Ok, so first CP bitches about gentrification, then a couple of weeks later glorifies it??? They support the local small farmers, then glorify a quail factory farm. Are we trying to illuminate or just stir up controversy, Stephanie? Oh wait, you hired Tara, didn't you? I forgot integrity was a lost issue here...

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Posted by Ima Oldman on May 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Re: “New lofts in East Central could fill in the cracks of development

The peninsula does have some inflated rental prices. It is sad, considering the rest of the area has somewhat reasonable rent.

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Posted by brewengineer on May 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Re: “New lofts in East Central could fill in the cracks of development

How does a college kid afford $1,400 a month for a studio apartment?

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Posted by Letstakeawalk on May 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Re: “From farmers markets to cooking classes, schools are helping families grow better eating habits

Are the children open to eating veggie burgers?

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Posted by Pronghorn on May 13, 2013 at 10:21 AM
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