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Re: “Broken Home: The Save Veronica story

The entire premise which these people have been using, in order to pull the proverbial wool over the collective eyes of the unsuspecting public, to every microphone or camera shoved in their faces, is that "these poor, poor, good people have had "their" child "stolen" from them by some deadbeat Indian...along with a little help from the "racist" United States Congress, who passed this "racist and antiquated" law.

(That reminds me. Who else among society...except these people and their supporters...think that the notion of protecting your children, your relationship with them, and your respective relationships with your people is "antiquated" or "racist"?)

This is NOT their little girl. They simply want what they want, and are willing to put this man, HIS little girl, and their entire family through hell, for as long as it takes, to take her away from her father so they can have her for themselves.

This case is about nothing, if not their pure selfishness.

The article states the following:
"'We keep telling ourselves, it's not about us, it's about Veronica', Matt says."

You can tell yourself whatever rationalization you need to hear, in order to sleep at night, but the fact of the matter is...if that were actually true...you would leave this man and his child alone. In fact, you would have given her to him the first time he asked for her, two years and eight months ago...AND YOU KNOW IT.

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Posted by Julian Winnfield on September 28, 2012 at 1:58 AM

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There are a few corrections which need to be made to this article in order to halt the promotion of inaccurate information about this case which is being incorrectly put forth as truth in just about every article or interview I've seen on the subject. I will get to them all eventually, but the first thing which needs to be corrected is this:

Ronnie Brown is NOT Matt and Melanie Capobianco's adopted daughter. She NEVER has been and she NEVER will be. She was NOT legally adopted by them or anyone else. The proposed adoption was properly DENIED by the Honorable Deborah Malphrus (Charleston County Family Court judge) on November 25 2011, long before the case ever got to the Supreme Court of South Carolina, who properly upheld the ruling of the trial court.

This is absolute FACT and is a matter of public record.

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Posted by Julian Winnfield on September 28, 2012 at 1:28 AM

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@Ned Hill:
I asked you to "provide any evidence whatsoever which clearly supports ANY of your assertions". Did you not read that part? You have failed.

We'll move on to the newest idiotic statements you've made. (1) Here you go again with the very same incorrect assertion about consenting to adoption which you made last time. Apparently you are just not getting it through your thick skull that YES, he DOES have to consent to the adoption, or it is NOT legal. Where are you getting your information? Federal law and the SCSC say you are wrong. (2) If the man didn't want his child, he wouldn't have fought to get her since the day he knew about the proposed adoption. You cannot sit there after he's fought (and won) for all this time and say that he doesn't want his child. I think he has more than shown that he does. (3) What "contract" are you talking about? (citation please) This is NOT contract law, moron, it's a child custody proceeding as defined by Title 25 of the United States Code, Chapter 21. (5) These people are NOT her adoptive parents...and that reminds me...I need to post something else. Thanks!

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Posted by Julian Winnfield on September 28, 2012 at 1:11 AM

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@ Jordan:
The Indian Child Welfare Act is a Federal law which preempts South Carolina state law. It is the controlling law.

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Posted by Julian Winnfield on September 28, 2012 at 1:08 AM

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@Ms. Herman:
I don't care what you are (if you actually ARE Native American, as you state) and every time I have used the term "you people" I was referring to supporters of the Capobianco's, not white people, or any other race. In fact, despite your baseless allegation that I have a "racist" attitude, I have yet to say anything to anyone which would indicate that I'm racist. In fact, I'm not, and have absolutely nothing against white people, black people, purple people, or any other race. If you would, please submit your evidence to support said baseless allegation, if you are going to assert it. Otherwise, you are simply blowing smoke, for want of a more appropriate term. Apparently, you folks really have a serious problem with making accusations which aren't true and putting out false information which isn't supported by the facts.

In response to your second post about stealing children, all can say is ARE YOU DRUNK? I don't even understand what you're talking about. (PLEASE, don't bother trying to explain...I don't care...nor does anyone else.)

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Posted by Julian Winnfield on September 28, 2012 at 1:04 AM

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Bottom Line, the childs best interest is all that should matter. Every child should have the opportunity for a stable loving home regardless of race. ICWA was a good law for its time but it is now time to amend it. Too many children and families have been hurt by this law, and how do we know that a child who is placed in a native home is being taught their culture? I will continue to pray for Matt and Melanie, and fight for a change to a law that I feel is unconstitutional!

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Posted by Debra Belford on September 28, 2012 at 12:29 AM

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Julian - In the majority ruling, on page 17 it says:
Father's consent would not have been required under South Carolina law (emphasis added) -Chief Justice Toal, South Carolina Supreme Court

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Posted by jordan on September 27, 2012 at 10:58 PM

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Thank you Dara for pointing that out! The law was not followed and that is why this whole mess started. I have always wondered if the C's had thought that Dusten was behind the adoption and that they did not need his contest to have the adoption go thru why did they serve him in the first place?? and why wait 4 mths to do it??? They filed for adoption in Sept 2009 in the first week of Veronica life and if they started this process so fast why the 4 mth wait???

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Posted by Romado on September 27, 2012 at 8:46 PM

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"any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, and includes five types of criminal actions: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditons of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." provisions of the convention by the United Nations (1948)
-however, in the 1970s, IHS facilities on Indian reservations forced sterilization methods on Native women aniticipating pregnancy.

"Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination- by starvation and uneven combat- of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity." John Toland

"Thanksgiving is nothing but a toast to genocide."- Stephen Evans

"land of opportunity, land for the huddled masses. Where would the opportunity have been without the genocide of those Old Guard, bristling Inidna tribes?" Edward Hoagland (1974)

"Genocide begins, however improbably, in the conviction that classes of biological distinction indisputably sanction social and political discrimination."- Andrea Dworkin (1978)

"Moreover, as the leadership of the House confirmed last year, the Administration remains opposed to a congressional resolution on the Armenian Genocide due to Turkish objections. This approach sends absolutely the wrong signal to Turkey and to the rest of world"- Patrick J. Kennedy (circa. 1990s)

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Posted by Čante Išta on September 27, 2012 at 7:30 PM

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How about acknowledging the fact that the Capobiancos lawyer did not follow adoption law, and involve the tribe from the start? At day 1 of the adoption the paperwork the Capobiancos filed was incorrect. It's not surprising that when the father objected the court acknowledged that the adoption was wrong. It wasn't a simple typo in the paperwork, it was a significant portion of adoption law that was ignored.

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Posted by dara on September 27, 2012 at 6:33 PM

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Oh wait! i have to backtrack to also remind all of you that ICWA is not a racist law, because if it was, congress would not have passed it. Also, all of you who support the Capobianco family should essentially support American Indian genocide while you're at it. This is how the US govt AT THE TIME operated for genocide to work: In the beginning, we were forced off our most sacred lands because of greed (you all are aware of that I'm sure). When we tried to confront the lies of the treaties in a peaceful way, we were raped, imprisoned, and/or killed. The battle that particularly disgusts me the most was the Battle of Sand Creek- "THEY WERE SCALPED, THEIR BRAINS KNOCKED OUT; THE MEN USED THEIR KNIVES, RIPPED OPEN WOMEN, CLUBBED LITTLE CHILDREN, KNOCKED THEM IN THE HEAD WITH THEIR RIFLE BUTTS, BEAT THEIR BRAINS OUT, MUTILATED THEIR BODIES IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD." [The Sand Creek Massacre November 29, 1864, lastoftheindependents.com]. When we tried to fight back, our children were sent off to boarding school where they were beaten, forced to cut off all of their hair, and had their beautiful buckskin and quilled clothes replaced with white man's itchy, uncomfortable school uniforms. If they spoke one word of their Native language, they were lashed and humiliated by the teachers and were given more chores to complete... meanwhile, their families back on the rez were battling disease spread by infested blankets given to them by US soldiers, not given enough for food rations (to this day, I refuse to eat commods, because that is essentially what they were back in the day- rations), being shot and killed if found attempting to hold sweat, sun dance, or any other rites that were given to us by Tunkasila, and being forced to walk hundreds of miles to nowhere areas where the land was not fertile enough to grow food and where buffalo would not dare roam. Then the children that were not sent off to boarding schools were snatched from their homes and given to white families (which was not as bad as boarding schools) but they were still scolded for using their language and were forced to attend church with the family on Sundays so as to brainwash them into believing that their way of life was heathen..... Adolf Hitler used the reservations to help base his idea for concentration camps. You will find that in any historical document of hitler or the Jewish Holocaust.

Now times are changing in America- thank goodness! The reasons for why I am not all Lakota is because of genocide. The goal was to breed our blood completely out of the human race. The reason why ICWA was implemented was a "sorry" move by U.S. govt to help reverse genocide. The reason why Munday is fighting so hard for the Capobianco's tears is because she THINKS Veronica is better off growing up outside of her race. As for her Hispanic blood? "Hispanic" refers to anything historically pertaining to roots of Spain. Let me refer to this website if you are unconvinced of how "Hispanic" has anything to do with American Indian (which by the way does not exclude people from South America): www.tihof.org/honors/malinche.htm

Anything else I may be forgetting to mention or cite? O yeah! Our people are slowly learning to let go of our resentment. This case is not a case of resentment or ethics. It is a case of law meaning what is legally right and what is legally wrong. The Capobiancos illegally adopting Veronica even out of concern, love, or care was wrong. The biofather initally giving up his rights is irrelevant to the case now that he has her in his custody. The mother illegally giving up her daughter for adoption without legal consent was wrong. The Capobiancos ignoring calls from attorneys was wrong. The father going back for what is rightfully his is right. The Capobiancos screaming "Save Veronica" is wrong since the child is in no imminent danger for the time being while under the custody of her legitimate father. The Caopbiancos suggesting visitations rights would be valid and right. All my information should most definitely prove to be right with a good amount of research to double check everything... Im pretty sure there is nothing else. Okay! Now I rest my case :) lol

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Posted by Čante Išta on September 27, 2012 at 5:05 PM

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GO Monica Harvey Buck and Julian! For the rest of you who cant seem to comprehend American Indian (not NA!) Tribal law, you can call me ignorant all you want, but I and probably anyone else who is Native and/or works in the tribal/ U.S. judicial systems has more background knowledge to the legalities of this case. And I can only speak for myself, but I worked in a prosecutors office for a over year and my grandmother has been a tribal judge on my rez for the past 30 years. She has practiced law and won many cases particularly in cases that involve ICWA. So call me ignorant and dumb all you'd like. If you cannot produce a lucid, intelligible argument supported by documented information other than your own biased opinions, then the quote, "you cannot argue stupid" falls into place here and I rest my case! I pray for you all and I will still keep praying for Veronica, her "adoptive" parents, and her rightful family :) Anpetu Waste! Toksa ake mitawa kola pi!

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Posted by Čante Išta on September 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM

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Cante, it is sad that the little girt had to be given up for adpotion but, I see what you are saying. And, being in SC many don't know about this law. Let's all hope that she is being taken care of and that her adopted parents can visit her.

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Posted by Biker Chick on September 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM

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C4, that SPERM donor is RAISING his daughter and has been for the last 9 months and will continue for the rest of her life. This is Dustens CHILD. Idc what anyone says...the C's knew, unequivocally that Dusten wanted his daughter. They knew bio mom was a sneaky bitch and trying to cut him out. They took their chances and this is what happens. The best interest for this child is to be raised with her bio family. Who wants to take bets bio mom shows up and has a part in her growing up. Its the best place for her to be. At HOME with her natural amily.

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Posted by Monica Harvey Buck on September 27, 2012 at 11:38 AM

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Julian likes to quote the SCSC ruling...laughable. Here are some more quotes from the ruling:

It is undisputed that Mother and Father did not live together prior to the baby's birth and that Father did not support Mother financially for pregnancy related expenses, even though he had the ability to provide some degree of financial assistance to Mother.

Justice Hearn:
I cannot fathom that Congress intended ICWA to require the return of a child to a parent who consistently, by his words and actions, evinced a desire to forego his responsibilities as a father.

My review of the record convinces me that Father turned his back on the joys and responsibilities of fatherhood at every turn. I would not minimize, as the majority does, the telling fact that Father told Mother in writing after Baby Girl's birth that he would relinquish his parental rights rather than support her and Baby Girl, and I do not join the majority in accepting his laughable explanation that he did this as a way to convince Mother to marry him.

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Posted by C4talyst on September 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

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Julian Winnfield; firstly, we know you're not a real person, and your Facebook account is for trolling purposes. The sperm donor did sign away his rights to contest adoption, but that's a moot point. Dusten was not supportive of the pregnancy and didn't want this kid. I have suspicions that his parents wanted custody of little V more than he did, and pushed him to abuse ICWA to get her back.

ICWA is a disgusting racist law that does not take into account the fact that these children have other heritage too that is not being represented. ICWA supporters seem to gloss over that fact and never attempt to debate this in their responses. Racists.

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Posted by C4talyst on September 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

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Romada, you're way behind the curve here, you have a lot of research to do to keep up with the rest of us. Dusten was completely unsupportive of his pregnant girlfriend; I don't blame her one bit for wanting to keep him away from the hospital.

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Posted by C4talyst on September 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

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Paula, as I'm sure you know from the SCSC ruling (you have read it, right?) Dusten never played a positive supporting role prior to the birth. He was an absentee sperm donor, nothing more. The fact that he abused a law to get back a little girl he didn't want who has only 1% Cherokee heritage is disgusting.

What about the child's hispanic heritage? Frankly, you are a racist person if you think this is ok.

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Posted by C4talyst on September 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM

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As usual, the pro-child abuse crowd has surfaced to make their uneducated opinion known. Misuse of ICWA has resulted in kids being harmed, and even killed. You won't hear the pro-ICWA crowd ever comment on those cases. The leading pro-child abuse organization NICWA even deletes all such articles from their Facebook page, putting blinders on and turning their backs on these kids.

There are some despicable people who surface whenever a new article about this case comes up; if I were Native American I would be utterly ashamed by how my culture is being represented by such ignorant people.

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Posted by C4talyst on September 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM

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Cante, you're an ignorant person.

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Posted by C4talyst on September 27, 2012 at 10:35 AM
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