Tomboi is really fun!
Come to Church Street in Burlington, VT...the most European of American cities. IT WORKS!
I absolutely do NOT agree with Lisa's comments and think what she wrote is the worst type of vicious misleading propaganda. I do understand that many animal rights activists consider any use of animals "slavery" (including keeping household pets) and would see any animals not living in the wild cease to exist. I think most rational people accept the validity of keeping domesticated animals, which I suppose PETA would rather see euthanized than have to work for a living as we humans must to survive. Let's be clear. These draft horses are domesticated animals which weigh 6-800 pounds more than the average horse and would almost certainly starve within months if left to fend on forage "out in the wild" because they have much higher caloric demands (40,000 calories a day) than wild smaller horses. By the way, those "numerous incidents last year" (there were three) resulted in minor property damages and no injury to any of the horses involved. I haven't compared those numbers to the amount of vehicle accidents downtown last year, but I'm certain it was astronomically higher. Charleston's 30+ year carriage record has resulted in no fatal accidents to people or horses. The last time a fatal horse accident happened in this city was a man run over and killed in the market...in 1804. These athletic strong horses do indeed work in hot weather. Up to 95 degrees before the companies shut down, standards in which humans doing physical labor would continue to work. That city standard was not arrived at arbitrarily either. The city adopted those precautions on the recommendation of large animal veterinarians, experts in equine care. Also in thirty years, there hasn't been one instance of one of these animals suffering from heat exhaustion because after completing every tour, before their prescribed rest and water break, they have their temperature taken. A racehorse leaving the track often has a rectal temperature of 105+. If one of our horses has a temp of more than 103, they are taken off duty and rested for the remainder of the day. It certainly would be sad to see tired horses and mules (no working burros in the city) If you claim to have seen that in Charleston I believe you are protecting unconscious cues of human body language signalling exhaustion, onto those of horses. I have heard comments of that sort, particularly for the decoy carriages selling tickets on the corner, especially when they are drooping, heads bowed in the traces. When they do that they do look sad to a human standard. What amuses me, is that when I hear these comments it is always in reference to horses who are napping, sleeping eyes half open heads bowed while standing. I work with these horses every day. I know a happy healthy horse from a sad sick one. These are not unhappy animals. Why would they be? They have full health, dental, new shoes every 6-8 weeks especially designed to help them walk on pavement, retirement plans (no glue factories for our boys) a 60+ acre horse pasture to frolic in nearly a quarter of the year, and 40,000 calories per day. I wish I had it that good. A horse in the wild has a 5-10 year life expectancy. Our horses have 20-30 year life expectancy. Which would you prefer? By the way, our carriages hold up to sixteen people, but as facts don't seem to bother the previous poster, I wouldn't have her worry about that one either. For the record, it takes approximately 100 pounds of pressure to pull a fully loaded carriage, (I've done it myself) not a remotely challenging task for a 2000 pound animal capable of dragging four times its own weight on sled runners. I have been stuck behind horse carriages when in my car. I know it can be frustrating. We drivers do our best to pull over for other vehicles as often as possible and divide tours between four routes to keep things moving in the city. I personally want to thank those who occasionally get stuck behind us for their patience. Let me remind you these horses breathe the same downtown air we people do. It's good enough for us, why not them? I can attest from experience that loud noises like sirens usually don't bother these animals. Their genetics come from war horses in the middle ages. If noises made them panic, they wouldn't have lasted long on the battlefield. They rarely even need training to acclimate to the bustling city. I do not agree that the waste products of our animals contribute a hazard to public safety. Our subcontractor Green Horse Sanitation, has two trucks working full time using environmentally safe products to clean up urine and spills from the diapers, which do account for collecting about 80% of the solid waste. Honestly I wouldn't work for the carriage industry in New York City, the location where the documentary Blinders was filmed. I agree the horses receive substandard care. Do not judge us by them. Based upon my research, we have the highest standards for the care of our animals than any other regulated carriage industry in the nation. In conclusion I would like to finish by saying the notion these horses would move on to greener pastures were they not working for us is naive and misleading. 90% of these animals come from Amish communities about middle age. If they weren't working for us, the fact is that almost all of them would be sold and slaughtered for their meat, bones, hooves and hides, which is the harsh reality for older Amish animals. Thanks for reading. Keep calm and carriage on!
Joshua A. Dunlap
Licensed Charleston tour guide
Agree with Lisa's Comments. Also want to mention that the film is being co-sponsored and presented by Lowcountry Vegan Society. https://www.facebook.com/LowcountryVeganSo…
The dancing is hot, humor throughout, and wacky waitresses keep you entertained throughout. Fun show!
Thanks to The Charleston City Paper for the great article on our show!!!
With all the controversy over captivity and the growing opposition to confining animals to cages, concrete pools, in circuses and other forms of "entertainment"; Horse & carriage rides must be addressed as well. We had numerous incidents downtown last year and these carriage companies work these horses in temperatures above 90 degrees on a daily basis. It is a liability, it is abuse, it is a thing of the past. These carriages also add to the congestion and traffic problems downtown Charleston faces.
There is NO "appeal" or "charm" in seeing tired, extremely sad horses and burros pulling 8-12 people through the streets of downtown, gasping for a chance to breath fresh air and get AWAY from tailpipes, noise and unaware people! It is also a health issue with the urine and manure stench filling the air and spilling onto the pavement!
Time to END this and enter the 21st century! Retire these horses to GREEN, QUIET pastures!
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Charleston Tavern Tour is doing a special Tavern Tour at 4:00 right after this event that covers the topics from the lecture. It beings at 4:00 at the Powder Magazine with a discussion with Frank McMahon and continues around the peninsula's taverns, covering a multitude of related city history. You can find information on the Charleston Tavern Tour web page and facebook page.
I love the Raw Vegan Potlucks! They are a great way to learn new, healthful recipes, and I always leave feeling energetic, not stuffed. Here's a link to the event this month! http://www.meetup.com/Charleston-Veggie/ev…
Very funny show!
awesome write up to help raise money for American Cancer Society this friday at the music farm, so go and rock out and help a good cause :)
Mary Timony was in Wild Flag. White Flag was an early 80s group whose name was obviously cribbed from Black Flag - and the names of the members similarly took inspiration from some big name punk rock people of the day.
Yeah, i'm one of the members of this forum. As a designer of dresses from gbridal.com. I always need to search for inspirations everywhere, ESPECIALLY Forum like this one. I had good experience on meetup, to be honest.
This show has actually moved to the Terrace Theater on Maybank Highway!
The Charleston Farmers Market will have their final Holiday Markets in Marion Square this Saturday & Sunday until they return on April 4, 2015. Get your farmers' market fix this weekend and get all of your holiday shopping done! Open 9am-4pm this Saturday & Sunday as we say goodbye for the year. Visit with Santa & Mrs. Claus and enjoy Chanukah in the Square following the market on Sunday, December 21st from 4-6pm. All events are family-friendly & free to attend. Follow the Charleston Farmers Market on Instagram/Twitter: @charlestonfarms
THE NEXTON COCOA CUP HAS REACHED CAPACITY AND IS SOLD OUT.
Great Band! Check them out!
Ohio sucks you morons. Please stay there if you think it is great.
***THE AUCTION WILL BE HELD AT HARBORSIDE EAST, 28 BRIDGESIDE BLVD, MT. PLEASANT, SC!!!!
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