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always seems as if Ford runs behind in the polls, then wins come election day.... One thing not crazy about Ford is his support for Casino gamling. Personally I'm not in favor of "Video Parlors", but actual Casinos are another story. In a city in which most income is derived from tourists, it seems only logical to create more places for them to spend, thus creating new jobs and probably an increase in the number of tourists annualy.

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It don't matter, it's just a contest to see who will lose to the Republican...

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I think scred just proved that if you post enough, you eventually get one right.

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Haha Mat, I think screddawg wins the obvious statement of the year contest. A friend of mine actually thinks Sheheen can win. Sweet, naive fool.

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The Republicans need a new and honest slogan.
How about "Bend Over, South Carolina".

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FCB,

Just who is it that has us "bent over" now?

One person in six without a job does not help the coffers of the state treasury, nor do continuous extensions of federal unemployment benefits that are paid for with future debt.

An unregulated border which permits hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to take our jobs and access our welfare state certainly has us "bent over".

Coming taxation through cap and trade legislation will keep individuals and businesses "bent over" for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps Congress should run on a new and honest slogan.

"Bend Over, America", sounds about right.

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Glad you like it. 11.6% unemployment is closer to 1 in ten than 1 in six, though.

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IPY, though I'm for securing the borders and evicting all of the illegals, your statement on welfare and illegals seems to be mostly incorrect.
Only the children of illegals that were born here are currently eligible for welfare.
My source for this is:http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/, but if you can show us different please do.
I also feel that children of illegals should also be illegal.
I also await your solution to the emissions problem, since you apparently do not care for "Cap and Trade".

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FCB - I read that link, while it tried to discredit the source it never disproved what IPY said! You need to study up on the cost of illegals...
Go here http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/na…

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FCB,

Factor in those who are under-employed, have given up looking, or are currently receiving unemployment compensation, and you end up with a real world number closer to 15%. Bloated, fraud laden bureaucracies are the current norm. The anecdotal data supporting this is all over the inter-web.

I do not believe the solution to potential atmospheric pollution is a synthetic stock trading system in which the primary commodity is poofs of invisible gas. (Cap and Trade)

I do believe that it makes sense to develop cleaner, cheaper and less dangerous energy resources.

It would be helpful if we could all carry an iPod like device, which, when plugged in to any outlet, could produce up to 500 megawatts of electricity, and would also be super safe and cheap to make, and could power an electric vehicle to run for decades, or a home for years.

While such a device is currently fantasy, I believe it could some day be reality.

We have only been using fossil fuels for the past century. In that one hundred years, we have developed fantastic technology which benefits all of us, every day. The free flow of energy has been key to advancing our civilization. In order to get to the point where we can develop new, clean and abundant energy sources, it will be necessary to not starve ourselves of the power needed to get there.

I believe most people would love to have a solar panel roof and an electric car.

But the roof needs to be better than the one on my house now, provide more electricity than I could ever use, and be cheaper to install and maintain than what I currently have.

Likewise, the electric car needs to go 2,000 miles on a charge. I drive to the mid west occasionally, and it is nothing to rack up 1600 miles in two days. It would be great if the vehicle could seat seven and carry a 1,200 pound payload, in addition to being cheaper to maintain and operate.

Those technologies could be a part of our children's and grandchildren's future, but I doubt it will ever be a reality if we expect the government to develop the means.

The steam engine, the internal combustion engine, the jet engine, AC electrical distribution, hydro-electric generation, nuclear, wind and solar power have all been created by the genius of individual innovators, not by government drones.

We should be offering an "X" prize for tomorrow's energy innovators.

It's crazy to think that BP or Exxon wouldn't spend billions to develop new, clean energy resources, IF IT COULD BE DONE PROFITABLY!

Right now, it can't.

Tomorrow? Maybe............

But......... Cap and Trade? A system to legitimize pollution for profit?

You can't be serious.

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Oops. I almost forgot.

So the parents of the illegal children who do receive benefits, (by your own source), have a separate stash of food, and never eat the stuff paid for with our tax dollars?

Really?

Is it naivete or ideology which blinds you?

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You are really worried about parents eating food belonging to their children?
And you call yourself human.

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i'll take a nation of illegals over a tea party nation any day.

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The last time I bled, it was red. So yeah, I'm human. Or maybe a cyborg. Still not sure.

I was simply pointing out the foolishness of your assertion that illegals do not partake in the benefits of our welfare state.

You posited that the children of illegals are "entitled" to welfare benefits. Fine.

I responded by asserting it's reasonable to assume that the illegal alien parents of those eligible children would indirectly receive some of those benefits.

My point is:

Your argument that illegal aliens receive no benefits from our social welfare state by being here is patently false, and furthermore, you have made my argument for me, with information you provided.

Yes, I am worried about illegal aliens receiving welfare benefits by using their "anchor baby" children as a meal ticket.

You claim to oppose illegal immigration when you write, "though I'm for securing the borders and evicting all of the illegals", and "I also feel that children of illegals should also be illegal."

If you really do oppose this activity, shouldn't you have the stones to enforce our existing laws, even if it means taking away welfare benefits derived through fraud and deceit?

Let me complete the transition to the "dark side" of my "inhumanity".

I agree with your statements.

"I'm for securing the borders and evicting all of the illegals", and "I also feel that children of illegals should also be illegal."

You wrote that. I agree with it.

I will go so far as to demand enforcement, even if it means pain and suffering for illegal aliens.

You will not.

I think that makes you a hypocrite.

You think that makes me inhuman.

One of us is right.



And don't worry about me losing sleep at night.

Remember, I'm a cyborg.............

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So you would let people starve?
What happened to "Love Thy Neighbor"?

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Yup.

Although I doubt any would actually starve to death.

Are they coming here because Mexico has no food?

I missed that news report.

I'm all for "loving thy neighbor", but I draw the line when my neighbor breaks into my house and helps themselves to my stuff. And the fact that you want to hold the door open for them in the process, well, that doesn't engender neighborly feelings towards you, either.

So, are you really for fixing this problem, or are you a poseur?

Any one can talk the talk. Let's see you walk the walk.

Your current line of reasoning stands in stark contrast to your previous posts.

Inhuman, or hypocrite?

Still no answer.

(Not that I expect the intellectual honesty required to provide a cogent explanation.)

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I'd say the real hypocrite here is the guy who goes on about "God" but would let children starve.
I would send them all back to Mexico since you say there is food there (cheap, too! I've been there) but I would not let any poor people starve while they are here and us rich folks can prevent it.
Food only, no money.

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So, yea. Right.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand:

I think the Democrats stand a slightly better chance this year in SC, if only because the Republicans are currently swallowing each other whole in some insane quest to become "The True Conservative Voice" or whatever it is that keeps the Tea Baggers up all night, sweaty and heaving with righteous impotence at the ever shrinking world that they have ruled for so long and which is, even now, slowly leaving them behind and moving on toward something else.

Sorry, got lost in some beautiful thoughts there.

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i appreciate yuengling's honesty--he illustrates exactly why i'd prefer to live in a community of forward thinking and hope-filled illegals to a neighborhood of bitter and frightened tea partiers.

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Agreed. The 'baggers are only going to appeal to the furthest right of the Republican party. Democrats, Centrists, and even moderate Republicans are going to be completely turned off by them.
It's normal for the party in power to lose seats during the midterm elections, but with the Republicans self-destructing and the Democrats sticking together one has to wonder.
Maybe the Repubs can bribe their way back in again with more unwise tax cuts like Bush did.

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FCB, Mat, and Mario:

It would not be me letting children starve. It would be their parents. Adults are responsible for the needs of the children that they bring into the world. That includes providing the children with food, shelter and clothing.

As usual, the progressive mindset of a "collective responsibility" has clouded your thinking.

I understand that in your fantasy world, there will be no inequality of outcomes. There will be no winners or losers. Everyone must have a fulfilling and meaningful job. Laws are really more like suggestions, and can be bent depending on how you "feel" about a particular subject. Everyone must surrender their individual rights in order to enable the rights of the collective, and everyone must surrender their property so that it may be distributed it in a manner which is acceptable to the collective.

I get it. I understand Marxism. I just don't agree with it.

I would ask you to direct me to the videos of people starving to death in the streets of America, but you can't.

I can show you videos of real suffering from around the world (Haiti, Calcutta, Rwanda, etc...) and provide you with stories of the people who are doing something about it. In those videos you will see lots of clergy and missionaries distributing resources contributed freely by people of faith and humility.

Perhaps even more illuminating is what you won't see. What you won't see is Marxists and progressives redistributing their wealth to foreign countries. Nope. The state never seems to have the money for those sort of things. China donated a paltry million bucks to aid Haiti after the earthquake. George Clooney gave as much as China did. Individual Americans raised several hundred times that within a few weeks of the disaster. The American government immediately pledged $100 million (that we probably borrowed from China).


Again, FCB writes, "I would send them all back to Mexico...", but offers no plan on how to accomplish the objective.

Ask for papers? THAT'S RACIAL PROFILING!

Cut off welfare benefits? YOU'RE AN INHUMAN MONSTER!

Enforce existing employment laws? THAT'S ANTI BUSINESS!

Finish the border fence? TOO EXPENSIVE!

So, FCB "opposes" illegal immigration, but will do nothing to stop it, because to do so might make FCB a racist in the eyes of others.

Way to take a stand on principles.

Ricky,

You wrote, "I'd prefer to live in a community of forward thinking and hope-filled illegals".

What can I do to make your dream a reality? Since you have access to a computer and English language skills, you would certainly be a benefit to the illegal immigrant community. How much better would life be if there was a resident language and computer expert living right there in the barrio? Imagine how much more fraud could be perpetrated with a useful accomplice such as yourself! You obviously have the means to move. What is stopping you?

Mat,

Change the bong water. We'll see whether your "beautiful thoughts" become the "nightmares of November" soon enough.

All three of you,

Is there anything you like about the United States of America? It shouldn't be too difficult to find something.

Here's a challenge. Tell us three things that you love about your country, and why. And if you are unable to do that, then please tell us why you are still here.


Cue the crickets..............

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Ricky and Mario,

Sorry for the mix up. I need a scorecard to keep up with y'all.

; )

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Times like this I almost wish religion wasn't a scam, just to see IPY in front of his "God" explaining why he refused to help keep children from starving while he lived in the lap of luxury.
By the way, IPY, I like almost everything about the USA, except people like you.
Let's heae your "plan" for sending them back to Mexico, since you have come to all of these unwarrented conclusions about mine.
For the record, now:
1. I am for laws like Arizona's.
2. The Welfare you keep going on about is for the chidren born here and hence under current law are citizens of the USA, not the illegal adults.
3. Build the damn fence.
4. I am not a racist, or a hypocrite, unlike some here. What does race have to do with anything, "Mexican" is not a race.
5. Your are correct, no videos of people starving in the streets of the USA. Probably because no one listens to people like you, who would cut out welfare and let children starve.
Have a nice day, IPY and hope your religion really is a scam.
Otherwise, you have a lot to account for.

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Touched a nerve, eh?

Supporters of serious immigration reform are routinely labeled "racists". Have you seen the protests in AZ?

The welfare I "keep going on about" most certainly benefits both children AND ADULTS. You cannot possibly refute that.

Opposing government welfare handouts to the children of illegal aliens is not the equivalent of "refusing to help keep children from starving". You yourself wrote that the children of illegals should also be treated as illegal, so illegal adults get no welfare, but illegal kids do?

There are many other ways to feed "the children". Those who bear the brunt of the responsibility are the parents, grandparents, and immediate family members.

In the absence of those individuals, orphans can be looked after by faith based groups and private charity. Dave Thomas, the founder of Wendy's, established a foundation in the 1990's to aid the plight of orphans, and has spent millions on their behalf.

Check out what an evil capitalist does with his money:

http://www.davethomasfoundation.org/Our-Gr…

Your solution to every problem starts and ends with government spending.

It is a convenience for those who can't be bothered to fix something themselves, and it's antithetical to the founding principles of our country.

Got a tough problem? Don't want to deal with it head-on?

Leave it for the federal government to fix (or not).

Trade your principles in return for shirking some responsibility off on the feds? That gives you an easy out, for now.

But when the problem remains unsolved decades later, then what?

Obviously, you are not worried about judgment in the afterlife.

But if there ever comes a time to answer for your actions, will you simply tell the almighty that you supported the collective, and so, you want to be judged by the actions of the collective?

Yeah..... that's the ticket.........

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You keep trying to twist whatever I say.
I said children of illegals should also be deported
I said nothing about starving them.
I'm not an animal, unlike some.
Now go ahead, get the last word in so you can think you've "won".
If there is an "almighty", at least I'll be able to say I loved and helped the less fortunate.

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Bong water? Whatever. Hell, I wasn't even talking to you.

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It seems that somewhere within the comments made on nearly every post at this paper someone is venting their spleen at "tea baggers". And that's even if the subject matter in the post doesn't even come remotely close to the issue of the Tea Party movement. As I scrolled through the previous comments herein, I see that I still haven't found an exception to my observation.

Now before everyone gets all riled up and starts accusing me of being biased, let me say that I've never attended a Tea Party function and I very likely never will. Still, I find it truly amazing that so much venom can be directed at ordinary citizens who choose to peacefully exercise their constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of speach and assembly to protest the actions of our elected government. To those who spew such venom - "GET A GRIP AND GROW UP!" I think that most, if not all, of the "anti Tea Party" anger is really FEAR & FRUSTRATION generated by the observed growing strength of the movement. And we all know what THAT means . . . when you're losing the argument, "Throw chickens in the air, run around in circles and scream and shout disparaging remarks". Anything but admit that a large segment of the country's population obviously doesn't agree with your own comfortable little ideology.

Keep giving 'em hell IPY. I enjoy your thoughtful and well articulated arguments.

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"I understand that in your fantasy world, there will be no inequality of outcomes. There will be no winners or losers. Everyone must have a fulfilling and meaningful job. Laws are really more like suggestions, and can be bent depending on how you "feel" about a particular subject. Everyone must surrender their individual rights in order to enable the rights of the collective, and everyone must surrender their property so that it may be distributed it in a manner which is acceptable to the collective."
You're an idiot. Or you just really, really like building straw men and beating them up. It's hard to tell which. I highly doubt that anyone who has commented believes any of the BS that you've attributed to them. I don't believe a single sentence of this. How about the rest of you 'marxists'?

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